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For many women physicians, their early career often coincides with key life events in their 30s and 40s and often reduce their clinical time to part time or leave the medical profession all together. In this episode, we hear experiences from Dr. Magali Fassioto and Dr. Shikha Jain on this topic and their views on career transition.
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Show Notes
[00:00] Intro
-Introduction to co-hosts and episode
[02:00] Women physicians in transition from early to mid-career
-Mid-career impact - irreconcilable competing responsibilities in their personal and professional lives.
-https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/why-women-leave-medicine
[02:14] Introduction to Guest
-Dr. Magali Fassiotto
-associate dean for faculty development and diversity at the Stanford University School of Medicine
-published widely in the areas of faculty diversity, unconscious bias, professional development and organizational identity.
-worked in organizational change and organizational management for over 10 years in the private, government, and educational sector
-Dr. Shikha Jain
-an assistant professor of medicine in the Division of Hematology and Oncology at the University of Illinois in Chicago and the Director of Communication Strategies and Medicine
-Chief Operating Officer and Co-Founder of the COVID19 Action group IMPACT and the founder and chair of the Women in Medicine Summit
-appointed to the 2020 American Society for Clinical Oncology Women's Networking Center taskforce and Diverstiy and Inclusion taskforce, and appointed to the Council on Communications and Membership Advocacy as well as the COVID-19 taskforce for the Illinois State Medical Society
[105:21] Be the Change
-When did you realize you wanted to or had become part of the change that you wanted to see?
-Magali and Shika’s Responses
[11:52] Mid Career Transitions for Women Physicians
-Not based on age or goal posts
-Not a number of years, but it's when you start to realize that you're mentoring people
-Level at which you’re comfortable with what you’re doing
-Signposts
-Also emotional transition
[17:13] Academia transitions
[19:49] Mentorship transitions
[21:31] Women in STEM mid-career plans
-Think long-term and short-term
-Another challenge of child care responsibilities aside from work
[23:47] Work-life conflicts
-Pandemic has created tougher situations with having to care for family
[26:25] Work life balance
-Very challenging in early to mid-career
-Teamwork
-Organize
-Don’t keep separate calendars
-Overlap or put together work and personal calendars
[31:00] Gender Influences
-Planned ahead for pregnancy
-Rearrange schedules
-Non-approved maternity leaves
-Many misperceptions and biases and just stereotypes that go along with being pregnant and, and training and being a physician
-Most often the woman who's in charge of childcare and also the regular household duties. And what I find the most distressing is the emotional labor of home life
-Bias in workplace doesn’t go away
[38:52] Emotional Exhaustion
[42:43] Mentorship and Sponsorship Roles
[50:48] Medicine Summit and COVID Pandemic
Career Coaching & Time Banking program at Stanford - Fassiotto-https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29298183/
WIM Summit, IMPACT - Jain-https://www.womeninmedicinesummit.org/ ; https://www.pnas.org/content/117/39/24032
[55:00] Final words of Advice
[56:10] Continue Conversation online
- Twitter and Instagram @TheDEIshift
Additional Resources
Impostor Syndrome and Women in Medicine | ACP Leadership Academy Webinars | ACP
ACP Resources: Women in Medicine | Where We Stand
Stanford Network for Advancement and Promotion | Office of Faculty Development and Diversity
Credits:
Co-hosts/Producers: Dr. Tiffany Leung, Dr. Marianne Parshley
Executive Producer: Dr. Tammy Lin
Co-Executive Producers: Dr. Pooja Jaeel, Dr. Tiffany Leung
Senior Producer: Dr. DJ Gaines
Editor: Deepti Yechuri
Production Assistants: Sarahy Martinez, Emily Han
Assistant Producer: Deepti Yechuri
Website/Art design: Ann Truong
Music: Chris Dingman
Disclaimer: The DEI Shift podcast and its guest provide general information and entertainment, but not medical advice. Before making any changes to your medical treatment or execution of your treatment plan, please consult with your doctor or personal medical team. Reference to any specific product or entity does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by The DEI Shift. The views expressed by guests are their own, and their appearance on the podcast does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent. Views and opinions expressed by The DEI Shift team are those of each individual, and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of The DEI Shift team and its guests, employers, sponsors, or organizations we are affiliated with.
Season 1 of The DEI Shift podcast is proudly sponsored by the American Medical Association's Joan F. Giambalvo Fund for the Advancement of Women and the American College of Physicians Southern California Region III Chapter.
The DEI Shift theme music is by Chris Dingman. Learn more at www.chrisdingman.com.
Contact us: [email protected], @thedeishift, thedeishift.com
-Introduction to co-hosts and episode
[02:00] Women physicians in transition from early to mid-career
-Mid-career impact - irreconcilable competing responsibilities in their personal and professional lives.
-https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/why-women-leave-medicine
[02:14] Introduction to Guest
-Dr. Magali Fassiotto
-associate dean for faculty development and diversity at the Stanford University School of Medicine
-published widely in the areas of faculty diversity, unconscious bias, professional development and organizational identity.
-worked in organizational change and organizational management for over 10 years in the private, government, and educational sector
-Dr. Shikha Jain
-an assistant professor of medicine in the Division of Hematology and Oncology at the University of Illinois in Chicago and the Director of Communication Strategies and Medicine
-Chief Operating Officer and Co-Founder of the COVID19 Action group IMPACT and the founder and chair of the Women in Medicine Summit
-appointed to the 2020 American Society for Clinical Oncology Women's Networking Center taskforce and Diverstiy and Inclusion taskforce, and appointed to the Council on Communications and Membership Advocacy as well as the COVID-19 taskforce for the Illinois State Medical Society
[105:21] Be the Change
-When did you realize you wanted to or had become part of the change that you wanted to see?
-Magali and Shika’s Responses
[11:52] Mid Career Transitions for Women Physicians
-Not based on age or goal posts
-Not a number of years, but it's when you start to realize that you're mentoring people
-Level at which you’re comfortable with what you’re doing
-Signposts
-Also emotional transition
[17:13] Academia transitions
[19:49] Mentorship transitions
[21:31] Women in STEM mid-career plans
-Think long-term and short-term
-Another challenge of child care responsibilities aside from work
[23:47] Work-life conflicts
-Pandemic has created tougher situations with having to care for family
[26:25] Work life balance
-Very challenging in early to mid-career
-Teamwork
-Organize
-Don’t keep separate calendars
-Overlap or put together work and personal calendars
[31:00] Gender Influences
-Planned ahead for pregnancy
-Rearrange schedules
-Non-approved maternity leaves
-Many misperceptions and biases and just stereotypes that go along with being pregnant and, and training and being a physician
-Most often the woman who's in charge of childcare and also the regular household duties. And what I find the most distressing is the emotional labor of home life
-Bias in workplace doesn’t go away
[38:52] Emotional Exhaustion
[42:43] Mentorship and Sponsorship Roles
[50:48] Medicine Summit and COVID Pandemic
Career Coaching & Time Banking program at Stanford - Fassiotto-https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29298183/
WIM Summit, IMPACT - Jain-https://www.womeninmedicinesummit.org/ ; https://www.pnas.org/content/117/39/24032
[55:00] Final words of Advice
[56:10] Continue Conversation online
- Twitter and Instagram @TheDEIshift
Additional Resources
Impostor Syndrome and Women in Medicine | ACP Leadership Academy Webinars | ACP
ACP Resources: Women in Medicine | Where We Stand
Stanford Network for Advancement and Promotion | Office of Faculty Development and Diversity
Credits:
Co-hosts/Producers: Dr. Tiffany Leung, Dr. Marianne Parshley
Executive Producer: Dr. Tammy Lin
Co-Executive Producers: Dr. Pooja Jaeel, Dr. Tiffany Leung
Senior Producer: Dr. DJ Gaines
Editor: Deepti Yechuri
Production Assistants: Sarahy Martinez, Emily Han
Assistant Producer: Deepti Yechuri
Website/Art design: Ann Truong
Music: Chris Dingman
Disclaimer: The DEI Shift podcast and its guest provide general information and entertainment, but not medical advice. Before making any changes to your medical treatment or execution of your treatment plan, please consult with your doctor or personal medical team. Reference to any specific product or entity does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by The DEI Shift. The views expressed by guests are their own, and their appearance on the podcast does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent. Views and opinions expressed by The DEI Shift team are those of each individual, and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of The DEI Shift team and its guests, employers, sponsors, or organizations we are affiliated with.
Season 1 of The DEI Shift podcast is proudly sponsored by the American Medical Association's Joan F. Giambalvo Fund for the Advancement of Women and the American College of Physicians Southern California Region III Chapter.
The DEI Shift theme music is by Chris Dingman. Learn more at www.chrisdingman.com.
Contact us: [email protected], @thedeishift, thedeishift.com
